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I am now working on a Mason A and AA and they are different on my pianos. I'll send pics later on today with serial numbers. ------------------------------ Joe Burros Cell: 646-410-7174 jbcello@gmail.com www.fmi-newengland.com --------------------- ...

Hello ! My name is Lucie, I am also going to the PTG convention in July (from 07/16 to 07/20). I would be interested in sharing a hotel room to save money on the price of a hotel room. I would also prefer to sleep in a quiet and dark room. Let ...

Steve, If you were to become familiar with tuning EBVT (plenty of aural checks once you learn the ropes), you will immediately see the resemblance in the shape of KV1.3. I'm sure even greater resemblance in KV2.1 )I haven't tried that yet though. ...

Ron, indeed that is true but colored nevertheless. Btw, do you have a system of aural checks for KV2? ------------------------------ Steven Rosenthal RPT Honolulu HI (808) 521-7129 ------------------------------

Sure, I am not planning to dodge the plate. ------------------------------ Hugh Trott musician No affiliations ------------------------------

Tim, Probably the course of wisdom. Good call. Peter Grey Piano Doctor ------------------------------ Peter Grey Stratham NH (603) 686-2395 pianodoctor57@gmail.com ------------------------------

Thanks to all for the great advice! After further consideration, I've decided to "farm" this one out. I wouldn't mind doing the work, but I'm not sure my arthritic hands would hold up to the many hours of fine work required for this. I've contacted ...

Ron - I'm sure that before electronic machines tuners with ears liked to tweak equal to favour home keys a little better and it enables the player to feel a "travel" througis a h keys. When I was young the head of music told me that I should be able ...

I mean, the early pianos worked quite well despite not having any iron plate and agraffes. ------------------------------ Hugh Trott Why do you think the iron plate was invented? Because the early pianos did not work quite well. They were very unstable ...

Yes, I see your point. Except that while the amount of deviations of many of the mild temperaments could be common in 'ripening pianos', the specific direction and intent is not likely to occur randomly... Ron Koval ------------------------------ ...

The hammers are likely far too heavy. Early Bluthners and Bechsteins had very light hammers. ------------------------------ Parker Leigh RPT Winchester VA (540) 722-3865 ------------------------------

High wrote: " I am trying to collect as much informations as possible, because maybe in the future I will build my own piano step by step. " Do some research the old fashioned way: read the available literature. Attend NBSS for 2 years. Apprentice yourself ...

H Peter, In general, the Mason Hamilin wippens are the same from model to model. However, if the piano was made by the "Aeolian factory" there may be some differences. If you would like to send me a photo of one, I can help you identify that. ...

As Keith said, if you repeat a single operation at a time on each part the work will go much faster. It also really helps to have quality tools for the job, in this case a good center pin end nipper, Mannino reamer/burnishers and WNG pinning tool. Anybody ...

Let's not forget that the strings in a piano are at a seriously higher tension than either a violin or an electric bass. A simple notch in the thin bridge of almost any stringed instrument, except a piano, is sufficient to keep the string from moving ...

Steve,, Dale Erwin showed me how to "production line" a job like this. It's 4 hours from when you first see the piano to when you hand them the bill. Never do one at a time. That takes 3 times longer. You can lay about 1/4 the flanges in the keybed, ...

greetings, does anyone know the answer to my question in the subject line? Thank you, Peter Janssen Janssen Piano Services, Florida ------------------------------ Peter Janssen Fort Myers FL (678) 416-8055 ------------------------------

Clarification: In the Wapin modification the proximal row of pins was changed to vertical, distal row remained untouched, and the third (clamping) row was installed at an opposing angle in between. Peter Grey Piano Doctor ------------------------------ ...

"Thanks, I would like to experiment first hand, and see if the angle will make a difference, I'm curious to see if all you need it's just a little groove in the bridge, just like the grooves in a violin bridge or guitar nut" The reason there ...

Hugh, by all means, please share your findings. Just keep in mind if there is a comparison between the grooves in the bridge on a violin to a piano setup, I would consider the following: Would these bridge grooves in the violin be sufficient if you ...

"There was a different system that was popular some years ago called Wapin bridge pins, where the bridge pins were straight up and down. This produced a sound that was different, but the details I don't exactly remember. I think it had more sustain. ...

Hugh, by all means, please share your findings. Just keep in mind if there is a comparison between the grooves in the bridge on a violin to a piano setup, I would consider the following: Would these bridge grooves in the violin be sufficient if you ...

Thanks, I would like to experiment first hand, and see if the angle will make a difference, I'm curious to see if all you need it's just a little groove in the bridge, just like the grooves in a violin bridge or guitar nut. ------------------------------ ...

Bridge pins are designed to have a clamping effect. The bridge transfers the string vibration to the soundboard, not only from the up-and-down vibration, but the string yanks on the bridge top to create a rocking motion back and forth. Ribs underneath ...

As I said, to ensure that the strings stay on the bridge.

But why exactly? ------------------------------ Hugh Trott musician No affiliations ------------------------------

"But I would try to get rid of the two bridge pins. If there is a good contact between strings and bridge, I guess the bridge pins will become irrelevant." Even if there is good contact between strings and bridge, the pins would still be ...

So why are you saying that I don't understand their purpose?? ------------------------------ Hugh Trott musician No affiliations ------------------------------

Also Klaus Fenner's book on piano design ------------------------------ Parker Leigh RPT Winchester VA (540) 722-3865 ------------------------------

Theer is one more thing the bridge pins do. They unsure that the strings stay down on the bridge to keep the down bearing.

Purpose? evenly space and align the strings and ensure contact between the string and bridge. What am I missing? ------------------------------ Hugh Trott musician No affiliations ------------------------------

Since cristofori was mentioned, he actually had a better idea than merely changing string angle for some hypothetical gain. Cristofori had the nut underneath so when the hammer struck the string, the string would seat or dig in rather than lift off. Hence ...

Let us know when you get it built/redesigned. Peter Grey Piano Doctor ------------------------------ Peter Grey Stratham NH (603) 686-2395 pianodoctor57@gmail.com ------------------------------

Hugh Apparently, you do not understand the purpose of bridge pins.

But I would try to get rid of the two bridge pins, another point of friction. If there is a good contact between strings and bridge, I guess the bridge pins will become irrelevant. ------------------------------ Hugh Trott musician No affiliations ...

I would think that adding an additional point of friction to the string would make tuning much more difficult. ------------------------------ Geoff Sykes, RPT Los Angeles CA ------------------------------

Paul McCloud, I enjoy your posts and wisdom. Three hours for 88 hammers ? That's two minutes a flange. Is that including removing and replacing? I like your advise to do every other flange for alignment. I would think it would take me ...

The only solution that ever consistently and permanently cured verdigris for me is to rebush and repin the hammer centers. It works, but to be complete, it would be necessary to repin all the action centers, in which case I'm not sure it's more economical ...

I have done this. I laid a moving blanket on the piano bench, You need a chair. Place the action on the piano bench Remove every other flange and lay as many as you can, in order, across the action cavity. That's your work bench, Have a magnet for the ...

At our last chapter meeting, Mike Reiter showed us his method for repinning. He said it takes him about 90” or so per rail (doesn’t include rebushing though). The key is to find the small efficiencies that add up over 88 flanges. If you are going to convention ...

Tim, You can also take side cutters to a grinding wheel and grind the side down flush to the cutting blades. This is fine for center pins. I've been using mine for years ------------------------------ Tremaine Parsons RPT Georgetown CA (530) 333-9299 ...

Timothy, one needs to be careful. I have put a top action in my Prius in the passenger seat. Lean back the seat back and put one end in the foot well. ------------------------------ Larry Messerly, RPT Bringing Harmony to Homes www.lacrossepianotuning.com ...

Tim, The approach I would take with the owner is to gather several printed "discussions" on this matter (perhaps an earlier one right from this platform) and hand it all to him and say: "Before I agree to tackle this, you need to read all of this ...

yep ------------------------------ Hugh Trott musician No affiliations ------------------------------

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Tim, In the vertigris study the CT PTG chapter did and published in the Journal, the study found that the household cleaner Fantastik definitely freed up the friction caused by vertigris. As someone pointed out, this is not a vertigris problem and I agree. ...

I use the flush-cutting style nippers (around $75 I think). More expensive, but they work much better in my opinion. But - do NOT use them for cutting voicing needles! That will ruin them. Don't ask me how I know that. ------------------------------ ...

The height of an action is about 8" from the keybed. Start with that as the bottom of the pinblock and go from there.

Tim I just realized that this was a piano made by Young Chang. Those instruments have a very bad reputation with pinning. Just repinning the flanges is not going to permanently solve the verdigris problem. And, as Peter pointed out, there is a very ...

Good question, if you lower the hitch pin side a few mm down, then you can raise also the pinblock a few mm up, without changing strings angle.. ------------------------------ Hugh Trott musician No affiliations ------------------------------